Conversation with Kelly about feeding her horse oats and …

From:
kelly n.

Message:
Hi,
I own a 24 yr old appaloosa, retired barrel, pole, western games, team
penner … his forte was barrels and poles & he was raced until 19.
He's still very active – 2 or 3 hr trail rides at least 4 times a week
– lots of hills and some ring work (not barrels – western pleasure
gaits etc).

He has been on oats for 4 months (grown by the farmer where I board) -
with the only supplements being a small amount of sentinel senior
pelleted feed and a handful of beet pellets- (beet pellets are dinner
only)  and msm and a carrot. (he doesn't get much hay as he is never
at the round bale … hence the handful of beet pellets in his
dinner.)  He's on pasture the rest of the time.  Only stalled to eat,
then turned right back out.
He's a very easy keeper so his meals are mostly oats, and not that
much.  Total feed would be about a pound and a half per day.  I have
to ride him regularly in the summer to keep the weight off.  But he's
in great shape.  Oddly, since his diet switched to oats from sweet
feed, his mane has grown back.  Not sure if that's a coincidence.
Since it's difficult to keep his weight down, I started lowering the
sentinel (12% fat) and adding enriched 32 instead (more protein, much
less fat – for easy keepers.  This has only been for 2 weeks now).

Should I discontinue the enriched 32 ? (like I said, he's still very
active and still loves the barrels, although I don't let him gallop
around them anymore.  He will still gallop at the drop of a hat,
though.  And stop on a dime).  For an active, healthy, easy keeping
senior, should I just get the oats supplement (just for oats) and the
natural salt?  (The beet pellets were just because he wasn't eating
hay hardly at all – he had hay only before his breakfast and dinner as
this is given to the horses in their stalls).

This is what I get from reading your articles – He already gets oats,
so should I just add the Just for Oats supplements and get the natural
salt? Oh, and because the farmer mixes some corn oil in the oats to
keep down the dust, maybe I should use a different oil (olive oil?)
Any suggestions here for corn oil substitutions?

Thanks so much,

Kelly

Hi Kelly.

I suggest that the components of our feeding program FeedForSuccess.com (You're alreay there with the oats!!!)
would be all that is needed. The feeding program is time-tested and time-proven.

You need to have the fatty acids / good fats (our Weight Check Oil is the oil you need and can be adjusted according to "weight" needs or un-needs), this, combined with what man KNOWS the horse needs, which is provided via our "Just Add Oats" supplement and then the "gaps" are filled by our (nature's) Red Cal (pristine,natural salt/minerals). Again this is my time-proven feeding program and is referenced in my article, "Feed Oats… But That's Not All" that is linked to from FeedForSuccess.com the page of our website. As you will see I'm not a fan of anything pelleted/cooked.

The program will meet all your needs and I appreciate you asking and considering Kelly.

Keep me posted.


Dr. Dan

Thanks, Dr. Dan.  
I received your email.

Another question about the oats.  They are grown on the farm and fed to the cows and horses.

There is a small amount of corn in the oats (also grown here).  The oats are not processed or cooked in any way, but they are ground up a bit for ease of chewing.

The grinding of the oats produces a little dust, so for the horses, a little corn oil is mixed thru the oats (not very much but enough to keep down the dust).

I don't like the corn oil so I mix Rusty's oats with a little extra virgin olive oil.  It doesn't take much, but of course this is a little more expensive.

Now the oats, with a little bit of corn and the olive oil – does this take care of the fat?  I know olive oil has the 'good' monosaturated fat that is also good for horses.  (theres only 5% or less of corn- also grown on this farm).

Also, I always throw a handful of beet pulp pellets (about a quarter of a cup) into each dinner.  I did originally because he wasn't getting hay where I used to keep him.  This farm has plenty of good quality hay/alfalfa/timothy – 2nd and 3rd cut for much of the season.

But I just read that the phosphorus/calcium ratio is a little lower in calcium in the oats – and that beet pellets are high in calcium (and of course, fiber).  

Now since his oats  has a little corn and olive oil, as well as the beet pellets, and I always give him a big fresh carrot from farms in erie with his dinner), would the 'Just for oats' be redundant?
He's been doing great on this mixture – even his mane and tail are fuller since he started on this mix.

The only supplements I've given him are joint supplements and msm.  I wonder, since he's an appaloosa and his eye seems to be a little cloudy at times (moon blindness – hence the farm fresh carrots) – are there any supplements that are high in vitamin A and good for the eyes, that won't throw off the balance of nutrients he's getting now?

Other than that, he may just need the red cal salt (not sure about mineral blocks) …?

Thanks
Kelly

Your oats sound fine. The program to a "T" is the foundation and covers all you have mentioned. These products and supplements are based on my years of experience and has benefited thousands through the years and continues to do so including hundreds I'm personally connected to, including my own herd.

The program and the components will naturally balance everything. My Weight Check Oil is "weigh" better than anything else— yes and it is added to the oats but much more benefits than just keeping the dust down. Yes, as you see on the site in several places NO Rocks/Blocks.. only nature's Red Cal…. you asked about Vitamin A… well that's covered by the Just Add oats supplement and component of FeedForSuccess.com (all the info is there— clicking on products will give you label view- a must to review)

If you want to look at other conversations about challenges like the moon blindness you mentioned… enter serach term for such on AskDrDan.com and return results like these:
http://askdrdan.com/?s=moon+blindness&submit=Search

Again thanks for asking and considering. Hope the above helps further.

Sharon with questions about Supplements/Warts/Soy

To: Dr. Dan

From:
Sharon S.

Message:
I usually have my hay tested every year, I feed Bermuda, Mixed Orchard
Grass, pasture grass and sometimes Teff.  Then I buy Horse Tech's
Arizona Complete (which compliments the hay analysis) and feed with
Horse Techs Nutra Flax mix (not that crazy about the flax)  plus salt
and yeast.  That's it, no oats or pellets.
I have Hymalyan salts licks (which they seem to like they stand there
and lick and lick)

My one white horse always has had little warts mostly under his neck
and around his buttox area.  I've read and read and mostly just know
that it has something to do with the immune system.  I've ordered your
Allergy check but I don't think I'll be putting the Grape stuff on his
white body. I've also ordered your Red Cal.  I'd like to see what
happens with that.

Now, the Weight check, that has soy in it.  Is it fermented soy?
Why oats?  I would never feed any pellets or commercial feed but are
the oats just a vehicle for the other stuff?  I remember reading years
ago that the only reason oats became a horse product is because the
cowboys found it much easier to transport than hay.

I'm considering transfering to your program, but I have to do some
figuring about the costs it seems pretty expensive but I know you get
what you pay for in life.

Sharon

Hi Sharon,

Thanks for considering the program. I'm guessing by now you've seen some
of the info at FeedForSuccess.com as well as the related product links.

Oats are just more than a "convenience". I think my oats article along
with the short video both of which are at the feeding program link will
best provide why I use and recommend oats.

Here's the direct link to the article (there's also audios as well):
http://www.thenaturalvet.net/For-The-Health-Of-Horses-Feed-Oats_ep_54.html

You just can't go wrong with oats.

My Weight Check Oil contains GMO-Free oil from the soybean. Not to be confused
with the negatives you have and might hear about soy. Unfortunately that is is
something I have to answer often…

(just see pages here: http://askdrdan.com/?s=soy&submit=Search),

but fortunately thousands agree and have come to love the Weight Check Oil as their
source for the good fats (and more) they know their horses need.

I searched years for a gmo-free source of this soy "bean" oil that I could be assured of
and comfortable with. It has performed admirably through the years and
I would put Weight Check up against anything else.

I know you've also already ordered Red Cal— be sure to remove those blocks asap.
Again the short audio on the Red cal page if not yet listened to will be great quick listen
http://www.thenaturalvet.net/RED-CAL_c_3.html

And great on the Aller Check— it looks like you have been doing some due dilengence
and I appreciate you using what I have online— just as you said, so many things are
best approached naturally from the inside out and keep the immune system in top-notch
shape.

Again, I appreciate your orders and for choosing us Sharon. I hope the above helps and keep me posted.

Susan asks this about hulless oats…

To: Dr. Dan

From:
Susan W.

Message:
I am currently feeding my horse whole oats (from Canada) and hay,
along with Red Cal, Just Add Oats, Weight Check Oil, Joint Check, and
Bug Check.  I am considering switching to hulless oats  (also from
Canada), as the undigested oats are attracting too many birds.  Are
hulless oats nutritionally comparable to whole oats would they would
work with your feeding program?  Also, do you know if they are
genetically modified or do they grow naturally?
Thank you for any information you can provide.

Susan W.

Hi Susan,

I should say that there shouldn't be undigested in the fecal. Its just not ever been an issue I have ever seen or heard nor has what you shared with me about birds.

The hull less can be used with program fine, but will cost more and yet really no more nutritious… only shown higher in protein etc. because hull is not present making "concentration" higher. Not sure if gmo or not though.

I don't think that oats are yet genetically modified. I might expect though that some are hybrids of some sort.

Hope this is helpful and thanks for asking.

Leslie asks: Oats..Do they make older horses tie up?

From:
Leslie M.

Message:
I've always fed just plain oats with Red-Cal to my horses with great
success but I noticed on-line on a discussion board that someone
stated that oats can make an older horse tie up. What is your opinion
on this please?
Thanks,
Leslie

Hello Leslie.

My opinion is that it does not and I don't believe any other negatives that you may eventually run across on the internet about oats.

Of course I have personally been feeding oats for years to over 100 horses (test herd if you want to call it that) besides the thousands of horses I have been "connected to" through the years.

I've tried to present my opinion(s) best I can on my websites and FeedForSuccess.com and the articles, audios, videos are there for anyone to review. The "Library" link (DrDanLibrary.com) also has other audios of of "live" event audio presentations of which are of the oats/feeding subject also.

Again, I know first-hand thousands everyday are feeding oats to young and old… competition or pleasure and have been "feeding for success" for years- so I'm pretty confident with this path I, You and the others are on. :-)

I appreciate your support, but know that it's usually no-use in debating. I don't do it and only
present what experience has taught me and what I've been blessed to bring all to-gether- for all to-benefit.

Thanks for asking!

Dr. Dan

Wendy asks about “Hot Horse”

From:
Wendy
wkohntopp@gmail.com

Message:
We bought a horse (9) about four weeks ago.  He seems to be settling
in with our other two horses, stands well, is fine on the ground, and
loads in/out of trailer with no problems. When he comes out of the
trailer he is drenched. He is very nervous/anxious before riding and
gets worse the longer he rides.  He quivers and urinates frequently
and never settles down. The previous owner indicates he was never a
problem. He rode trails and worked cattle.  He thinks it may be
because we have had him on oats (very small amount). Could this be the
case? How long does it take grain to work out of his system? His
behavior is really bizarre.

Hi Wendy,

From afar, I can't be certain of all, but diet-wise I am certain that
it is not the oats-no matter what the amount. I applaud you for providing!

I've been a proponent of oats for years and have been personally
connected with thousands of horses through the years besides
my own (test herd if you want) and never have seen oats cause this.

With that said, I do of course have my own feeding program that is time-tested
and time-proven, again for many years and thousands of horses. I
do recommend and ask that you consider the program and the
components that make up the total program– not just for him
but for the others as well. RED CAL (natural ancient and pristine salt/minerals/electrolytes)
Weight Check Oil (gmo-free source of omegas… the "good fats") and then the
vitamins/minerals/probiotics and more of the "Just Add oats" supplement

See: FeedForSuccess.com

Our Bug Check product, being more than "just" a bug product,
also has ingredients that possess calming qualities and could
be considered as well.

Please keep me posted and thanks for connecting.

 Dr. Dan
TheNaturalVet.net
877.873.8838
 

Butch asks, about a good diet for his horse…(“how much oats?”)

From:
Butch

Message:
I feed my horse about 1/2 gallon of oats a day along with one cup of
linseed meal. He also gets a half bale of hay. Is this a good diet and
enough for him?

Blessings

Butch

Hi Butch,

Here's what I share with others as I am asked this a lot. Feeding is not a science. Its more of an art .. if the weight is now good then continue as is. Generally most horses don't need much oats and should get no other grain other oats anyway. "Science" says 1% of body weight daily for grain. I say the less the better overall.  I use whole oats and a 50/50 timothy/orchard mix.

Now you may have already seen the info within the main site (accessed also with WhatToFeedYourHorse.com ) and see that I also recommend 3 products in conjunction with above. This program has been in place and adhered to by thousands through many years. There is an article about Oats there that you should read as well as others as time allows.

I will add I am not a fan of linseed nor flax, which I feel is the same. Here is an article you can review:
http://askdrdan.com/2010/06/23/flaxseed-flax-seed-article-im-often-asked-for/

Our Weight Check Oil is a much better source of the benefits you are seeking from the linseed meal.

I hope this helps and I appreciate you asking and connecting. Stay in touch!